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Pai
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Joined: 18 Jan 2008
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Location: Federal Way, Washington
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 Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 3:37 pm Post subject: Do you think the U.S. Standard should be changed? |
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| Changed to allow drop-eared Puffs, I mean. It just seems strange that every other club allows puffs to have drop ears except us. Aside from fashion or personal preference, why not allow it? |
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rocketsigntist
Top Dog!!!!
Joined: 27 Apr 2007
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Location: St Cloud, MN
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| Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Drop-earred puffs are accepted in UKC shows, so you can show them in the states, just not AKC. |
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strictlyred
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Location: canada
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| Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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| I think they should seperate pp from hl as well.. |
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jennie_c_d
Best in Show
Joined: 16 Mar 2009
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Location: Brunswick, Ga
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| Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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| I think drop eared Puffs are beautiful! And I agree, if everybody else gets to have a thousand varieties, separate the Puffs and HL. If not, put everybody else back together. |
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hlboyz
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| Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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| I would like to see the Puffs and Hl separated. But as much as I don't mind the drop earred puffs and some of that comes from seeing so many who compete in Europe..... it is something which has impacted the breed from what I understand.... ie weak ears causing the naturally erect ears in the HL and Puffs needing taping. It's something to be considered on that aspect when they are shown/judged as one. I would have to go with erect ears in the current scenario. |
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Pai
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Joined: 18 Jan 2008
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Location: Federal Way, Washington
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| Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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| hlboyz wrote: |
| It is something which has impacted the breed from what I understand.... ie weak ears causing the naturally erect ears in the HL and Puffs needing taping. It's something to be considered on that aspect when they are shown/judged as one. I would have to go with erect ears in the current scenario. |
Ah, that is a good point. I hadn't known that was a problem in Europe. |
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crestedcrazy
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Joined: 28 Dec 2005
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Location: Canada
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| Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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I would have to agree with Hlboyz
Ok I don't show and as much as I like the drop ears on Niya and never considered taping hers after the fiasco with trying to do Noids I highly doubt they would have stood anyways.
I didn't realize just how thin both hers and Noids ears were until Wysie came her and the difference is truly astounding, it's like comparing a piece of paper to a piece of cardboard.
So yeah I think if the standard were to change then we may end up losing those strong erect ears altogether one day |
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Indiana's mom
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Joined: 21 May 2006
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The Puff and HL will never be separated into varieties because they are born in the same litter period. Aside from the fact that the AKC will not allow anymore varieties Cresteds wouldn't even qualify as two varieties. In general the way varieties work is that the varieties should never be born in the same litter or bred to another variety as it will cause disqualifying coloration. Like in the case of solid and parti colored dogs solids should be bred to solids so that white patches do not occur and parti to parti to keep the coloration patterns clean.
The HL needs the Puff genes in order for the breed to stay strong have better dentition and better coats (even in the HL). If the Puff and HL are separated into varieties then the puffs born in a HL litter will be culled at birth once again so that people don't know an "anomoly" was born in the litter. The HL would be a completely different breed today if the Puffs weren't a recognized part of the breed. |
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hlboyz
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| Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 6:11 am Post subject: |
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| I hadn't known that was a problem in Europe. |
I am not saying it is, just when people are discussing to follow their lead. It's understandable also that ultra heavy ear fringe can bring the puffs ears down, but remember, the puff is NOT supposed to have that heavy coat in the first place according to the standard so their ears SHOULD stand in competition if they were indeed the best representation of the breed according to the standard. I think we will continue to see shaved ears on the puffs mostly due to that.
There is always controversy regarding what one breeds FOR, and the naturally erect ears are really something that should be considered - BUT when they are taped up, you lose or lets say you lose sight of that trait. I remember hearing some years back, and I assume it to be true today, that reputatble xolo breeders would not tape ears nor would they breed a dog without naturally erect ears. That keeps the trait strong genetically in their lines. |
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Ankhu IGs
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Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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Location: Colorado
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| Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 9:28 am Post subject: |
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| strictlyred wrote: |
| I think they should seperate pp from hl as well.. |
How exactly do you propose they do this. ... genetically they are the same breed. HL to HL breeding can and has often produced ALL PP litters. SO...what are they doing to be registered as Hairy Hairless? Or perhaps they should be "bucketed" because they are hot Hairless?
You cannot seperate them as they ARE the same breed. They have variety classes offered and that is a more than acceptable option. The AKC has way too too many breeds that are seperated by minor factor such as colour.
Cocker spaniels for instance, 3 coat varieties of Dachshund, 2 types of Norfolk/Norwich Terrier based on what??? One has dropped ears? This is just a silly concept.
I have no problem with an HL class and a PP class...just as i would have no problem with a colour variety class within Cockers. But a seperate breed...IMO...is just silly. |
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Ankhu IGs
Canine Good Citizen
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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Location: Colorado
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| Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 9:30 am Post subject: |
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| Indiana's mom wrote: |
The Puff and HL will never be separated into varieties because they are born in the same litter period. Aside from the fact that the AKC will not allow anymore varieties Cresteds wouldn't even qualify as two varieties. In general the way varieties work is that the varieties should never be born in the same litter or bred to another variety as it will cause disqualifying coloration. Like in the case of solid and parti colored dogs solids should be bred to solids so that white patches do not occur and parti to parti to keep the coloration patterns clean.
The HL needs the Puff genes in order for the breed to stay strong have better dentition and better coats (even in the HL). If the Puff and HL are separated into varieties then the puffs born in a HL litter will be culled at birth once again so that people don't know an "anomoly" was born in the litter. The HL would be a completely different breed today if the Puffs weren't a recognized part of the breed. |
EXACTLY!!!...except that there are varieites that are bred together. Cockers are bred together and whatever colour pattern the dog matches is what it is registered at. Wire hair, and smooth coated Dachshunds are bred together and the get registered as what they most closely resemble.
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Pai
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Joined: 18 Jan 2008
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Location: Federal Way, Washington
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| Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Ankhu IGs wrote: |
| Cocker spaniels for instance, 3 coat varieties of Dachshund, 2 types of Norfolk/Norwich Terrier based on what??? One has dropped ears? This is just a silly concept. |
Drop-eared Norfolks (Norwiches now) used to consistantly lose to prick eared dogs, that's why I heard they split off. |
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