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bindies mum
Show dog
Joined: 05 Sep 2008
Posts: 606
Location: wigan, england
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 Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 1:40 pm Post subject: trimming socks? |
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| my bindie is a moderate hairless so has quite abit of furnishings especially on her feet. ive noticed that some people trim there socks, up to now ive left them natural but was thinking i might trim them. what does everybody else do? |
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Bessiebelle<3
Joined: 01 Jul 2009
Posts: 10
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| Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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| The standard technically says no trimming except for the face, however it is hard to find a true hairless that needs no body hair clipping. If you would like to trim your cresteds leg furnishings then go for it. i sometimes trim my hairless girl's to hair to reduce the illusion that she is posting. |
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jennie_c_d
Best in Show
Joined: 16 Mar 2009
Posts: 1471
Location: Brunswick, Ga
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| Ena doesn't have enough sock to trim, so I've only ever trimmed her pads. I've seen LOTS of trimmed socks on both HL and Puffs, at shows, though. I've seen what appears to be scissored crest, too, but I could be wrong.... |
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Bessiebelle<3
Joined: 01 Jul 2009
Posts: 10
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| Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Trimming pads is perfectly fine in my opinion. And yes, alot of people do trim the crest, but that is VERY incorrect. |
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Chelsey
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Joined: 19 Dec 2005
Posts: 14989
Location: Indiana
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| Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 11:45 am Post subject: |
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| Bessiebelle<3 wrote: |
| Trimming pads is perfectly fine in my opinion. And yes, alot of people do trim the crest, but that is VERY incorrect. |
Trimming for neatness is not incorrect.  This breed does not have a perfect gene telling it where there hair must be placed. Some dogs, even ones withoug much body hair, will have a light strip from their crests down to their shoulder blades or farther and there is not a problem trimming that or other misplaced body hair. It would be very nice if genetics were that perfect that the hair grew just where we wanted it! |
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Pai
Show dog
Joined: 18 Jan 2008
Posts: 805
Location: Federal Way, Washington
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| Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 4:10 am Post subject: |
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There are breeders that get only H-pattern HHL in their lines and other that get almost always very HHL... so it appears that there IS more control over the gene than a lot of folks think. It's variable, yes, but it's not a purely random gene, or else people would not be able to get consistent results like that.
If you look at all the early lines, there were tons of THL and MHL, with sparser furnishings... where are those now, if those hair patterns haven't been selected away from by people who prioritize extensive furnishings (and the extra body hair that comes with it 90% of the time) over correct hair placement? It's easier to just shave the excess off rather than get it naturally correct, after all.
A lot of breeders talk as if it were so difficult to achieve the ideal that it's not even worth attempting... even though the foundation line kennels all seemed to manage it. But the most correct body hairlessness also comes with less furnishings -- which is why people aren't so hot on it anymore.
At what point does 'trimming for neatness' becomes 'extensive grooming to achieve an artificially hairless appearance'? Is the Crestie hairless body a fundamental breed trait, or is it just a unique breed clip? Personally, I think Cresties will lose something very unique and special if they become only 'make believe' hairless dogs. I think correct hair placement should be taken more seriously than it seems to be by many breeders and judges.
That's just my 2c, as someone who isn't emotionally or economically invested in the show ring, and who has read way too many Crested history books and standards. I know that book-knowledge is not a replacement for actual experience, and my perception of the modern show culture may be totally off, but that's how it appears to me. When I see the many 'hairless' pups put up on the registry site that look like this, I just get sad. I don't want that to be the norm.
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Ankhu IGs
Canine Good Citizen
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
Posts: 287
Location: Colorado
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| Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 9:55 am Post subject: |
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I agree, that trimming is more about neatness, just as giving the dog a bath or taking proper skin care...and even brushing the furnishings.
Let a hairless grow out and you quickly see where the hair coat changes, and should be trimmed. Just about all of mine are low to moderate hairless. They have what i term....razor backs. A sparse strip down the mid backline. They also have singular hairs...here and there ..and i do mean...here..................and then...................there. As in pretty widely spaced. we trim all that off. We neaten the sock line, the face, and the tail....as it does say 1/3 of the way.
I have seen dozens of variations on face shaving, including the full face, and i think it is a personal choice. |
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