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Chelsey
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 Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 5:01 am Post subject: Angulation Pictures |
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These are some photos of my dogs to show proper angulation for the front shoulder which should be at 45 degrees from the top of the shoulder to the point where the two shoulder bones meet. You can feel where those two bones meet be touching the front of your dogs' shoulders. I hope a visual helps!
Okay, here is Olivia, who does have a good angle in her front shoulder. The black line is where her shoulder is placed, the dark blue line coming down is from the top of her shoulder to the point where her two bones in her shoulder meet, and the light blue line is showing you where this point goes to when coming off of the shoulder. Notice that it goes OUT, not straight down.
And here is bebe who also has a good angle on the front. Her REAL angles that are correct I did in the same colors as Olivia's. The PINK IS WRONG and NOT where bebe's shoulder is, but IF she had a straight shoulder the pink would be the bad placement. Notice how on the pink the line coming out of the shoulder points down and not out. Also how the pink line is up under her head and at a higher degree, about 60 degrees or so.
And last.... when it all works out and the angles are right and balanced, then you get good movement which looks like....
See how is front leg is reaching OUT and not lift up? A straight shoulder you would get some lift UP and not so much out. That is why a person might say the dog has "good reach". And when the dog is lifting up or high stepping they are hackneyed
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Chelsey
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| Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:11 am Post subject: |
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REAR ANGULATION
The light blue on the front is what we went over before with the front angles.. We showed before that this whole area should be a 90 degree angle ( 45 degree when just looking at the top or the bottom the bottom sections) and the line through the middle shows that the two parts are even. The upper half should not be bigger or smaller than that bottom half (or vice versa) or it will affect movement.
The purple line in this case shows the correct placement of croup and tail set. It should be around 30 degrees and the tail SHOULD NOT look like its coming out of the back bone or that it is disconnected from the body. (Examples of those in following pictures)
The greeen lines show that when there is a line drawn to the stifle and then the other line from the stifle to the hock makes an angle of about 110 degrees. After you have done that you can see the line drawn straight down through the hock (black) comes down at a 90 degree angle.
If a dog is OVER angulated then there is too much bend in the knee area. I drew the lines in red on Bayden of what that would look like. This is incorrect
I also drew a flat croup on Bayden with a high tailset. This means there is not a 30 degree angle and the tail is up too high (coming straight off the back) and the dog tends to look like it has a board stuck up its butt.
This is what a dog that is UNDER angulated lines would look like. This dog would not have enough bend to their leg and would affect movement. I have also drawn in pink a very steep croup with a low tailset which could result in the tail looking almost disconnected from the body.
Here is a picture of Bayden with his correct angles and the degrees color coded with the lines.
Here are some line drawings on sketches also with some explanations that are good to look at
http://www.geocities.com/willowind_dals/page2.pdf
http://www.weim.net/emberweims/angulations.html
http://www.grunfeldshepherds.com/articles/lanting/pdfs/Fred-Lanting-Balance-in-the-working-breed-dog.PDF
The best way to get an idea of the dog is through MOVEMENT. You can stack a dog to LOOK better or stack them wrong and they will look worse, but you can't change movement!
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Katushka
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BellasNaked
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Location: Billings, Montana
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| Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 3:49 am Post subject: |
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| thank you so much chelsey that is great information and answered most of my questions. i still have more but it is mostly hands on type of things. we dont have a show here till june so i will deff. be going to that and learning all i can! |
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Bakayasha
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Location: Drayton Valley, Alberta, Canada
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| Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 12:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Thank you so much I was a bit lost in translation as to all the angles and lines and everything. This has really helped a lot! |
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ann
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| Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 4:08 am Post subject: |
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| I have'nt looked at this thread before. You're very good Chelsey. So well explained. A great help to newbies i'm sure. |
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Chelsey
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| Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 4:22 am Post subject: |
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Thanks Ann!  I had kind of forgotten these were here too! lol! |
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