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Vetmedin (Pimobendan) For Cardiac Conditions In Dogs

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#51
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So my entire household has come down with colds, so it is lucky that it is a long weekend so we can all focus on trying to feel better! I don't want to jinx it but I do notice that he is doing a little better, he still has some break through moments but it is when he is over exerting himself trying to play with his Rat. Biko is like my little toddler, He has moments where he thinks he feels all better, and then he kinda crashes and is completely wiped out... I try to keep him calm, but I also want him to enjoy himself, so we are working on balance and trying to come up with fun and calm alternatives to jumping around with the Rat.

 

It would be amazing if we lived closer Cynth, there have been many moments this past little while that I would have been so glad to give you a hug in person, and share some positive vibes with you and your pack. 

 

I'm sure Biko would also love to show you his Rat too, lol! 


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So Biko had a really bad night two nights ago, I honestly was afraid I was going to lose him. He had another trip to the vets today and was able to see his regular vet. She did a full follow up work up, Xrays, ultrasound and blood test samples. We don't have all the results because we are going to send them away to a cardiologist and a special lab, but she said overall there is not much change, which she says is good because it has not progressed from what she can see. I just want to hold him and never let him go. I wish I could protect him from all this.


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Thus far, that sounds encouraging! The Vetmedin can truly be a wonder drug, and especially when started early. Did your vet have any ideas about Biko’s continued coughing? Or is she waiting until all test results and second opinions are back?
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She was very careful in her wording when discussing things with me, but I did not get on overwhelming feeling from her that her diagnosis was much different from what the other vet had said about Biko having bronchitis. I really trust her and she has seen Biko for about the last 5-6 years, so she is aware of all his cardiac diagnosis and progression. I'm also comfortable with her, and can share my fears and concerns with her, she is very patient with me when I cry lol. I think she knows just how important Biko is in my life so I don't believe she would ever steer me wrong, or not tell me something that she thinks might upset me. She did say that she wanted to get the opinion from the Cardiologist at the lab to find out if there was more progression of his heart disease, but she did reassure me that the other night, although sounding very scary, passed quickly. She shared with me that she was reassured that his condition doesn't appear worse on the Xrays, and from what she could see on his ultrasound there was no fluid in the sack around his heart. She did add that she is not a cardiac specialist though and really wanted to refer to the specialist for a firmer diagnosis. We discussed Biko being on the Lasix for a longer duration, and she did say there is the possibility that he will need it for the long term, but also said that we might get him to the point where he doesn't need it every day. She really felt bad that the bill was going to be so high, and she was offering me alternate options, but in the end we discussed that for my peace of mind, and a larger picture of what is going on with Biko, I wanted to do all the samples/tests up front, even if he still has to go out of Province later to see the team of Cardiologists. 


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Oh! Side note*  I had them check back in his records, and he is actually the heaviest he has been in a long while at 5.7kg, so he could shed a few pounds! I was worried a few months back that he seemed to be losing weight fast, but I guess that is not quite the case. Right now he gets a mix of canned food (wild calling turkey) to take his Lasix with and a dehydrated dry (ZiwiPeak Venison) for his normal supper. I'm thinking that when he "lost" his appetite it might actually be that he just wasn't hungry because he is eating more now! So that could help him out too if we can get some of those extra pounds off. 


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Well yesterday was not a good day for me, Bikos vet called and said that they got the results back from his Xrays, and they feel his heart has enlarged from mild to now moderate, and that the fluid is probably cardiac related because he is still having breathing problems, although not as much as before. She wanted me to bump his Lasix up from 10mg once a day to 15mg twice a day. I told her that I felt like that was a lot to just jump into and she agreed that we could go up gradually. I spent the afternoon at work and so it was hard to maintain my composure. I'm just glad it was Friday. Today we have spent the day hanging out together and we now have a solid appointment at the teaching hospital out of province. 

My poor little man, I just want to hold him and never let him go.

 

He is still eating and playing in short bursts, although I do not let him go bananas. We had a long two weeks and I was hoping that his lack of total improvement might have been from all the travelling we had to do. I keep hoping that the longer he has a chance to settle back into his routine, the greater the chance to him improving. 


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Aww! I know first hand how scary this all is. Harley’s echocardiogram measurements have her at moderate, too. I’m hoping the extra lasix will help get that fluid out of Biko. That should really make a difference in his breathing. You mentioned before that you aren’t comfortable with lasix, I’ve never researched it before. Perhaps I should? When is his cardiologist appointment? Sending huge hugs your way!
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I'm not sure if it is from being a paramedic and seeing patients on Lasix, or really where my negative opinion of the drug comes from, I don't have any personal experience with it to be honest, but I know that you have to watch their kidneys and electrolytes and balance the water intake and out. So obviously the more medication he is taking the more he will need to pee and drink... I just worry about his little system. 

We have an appointment to see the cardiologist on May 10th, it still isn't going to be his regular Dr but it is a locum that I believe he has selected. Right now he is laying on the bed with his rat after just getting his second dose of both vetmedin and lasix.... he is too funny, every day after he eats he has to go and get the rat and "play" with the rat. It's a ritual that is to be observed every single day regardless of company being over, or people being busy, but now that he is getting 2 suppers he has been feeling to need to have twice as much rat "play" time lol.

 

Cynth do you notice that Harley is still a bit lethargic even being on the vetmedin, or is she her "normal" self? Does she have any symptoms that are noticeable to you?


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Harley has zero symptoms from the Vetmedin, or from her heart disease. I know it won’t always be like that, I just refuse to even go there yet.
After everything I went through with little Bebe and her respiratory issues, I would attribute any lethargy Biko may be having to the excess fluid, and it being harder for him to breathe. Are is respirations faster than normal?

I did some research on lasix after my last previous post here, today. What I took away from what I learned is making sure their kidney values are checked before starting the drug, and periodically while on it, and especially when increasing the dosage. Otherwise, it didn’t sound too scary to me, unlike so many of the drugs poor Bebe was on.

Sounds like he’s feeling pretty good if he needs twice daily “play” sessions with his rat!
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Yes I have noticed that he has faster respiration, even when he sleeps. He also had quite an obvious wheeze/sigh/louder breathing.

 

I have noticed that he is breathing easier since being on the lasix, and his respiration rate seems to have leveled out since we upped the dose... I mean, when he isn't partying with the rat lol

 

This is only day 2 with the second dose of the lasix, so hopefully he will continue to feel better so by the time we get in with the cardiologist they might have some good results to compare to everything my vet has sent along to them. 

I am hoping that it is a good sign that he is feeling as peppy as he is at the moment, so early into the new treatment regulation.... fingers crossed, and positive thoughts!


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Sending lots of Crush vibes his way! It does sound like he’s definitely starting to breathe easier with the extra lasix on board. Harley’s cardiologist instructed me to count her respirations while she’s asleep about once a week, and to chart them. I had a great app on my phone that took care of that for me until Apple updated their operating system, and unfortunately, the developers of the app didn’t make changes to it to be compatible. Now I’ve lost all my data. Using a pencil and paper, going forward!
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That is a good idea! I will do just that so I have more information to take with us to the cardiologist. Is there a target number that is an approx. normal?


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https://vcahospitals...rate-evaluation

This is a good article on everything you need to know about counting and keeping track of respirations. It might give you some peace of mind with Biko.
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All, our little boy, Choko, is 9-yrs old now and has been on Vetmedin for approx 1yr because of a 'mild' cough, that has now become very serious. To me, it is classic Collapsed Trachea Syndrome, sadly yes, coughs "like a goose honking".

 

He still likes his walks. Good appetite. Drinks water, but this cough is now visibly taking its toll on him.

 

He is also on the Vetmedin for a Stage 5 heart murmur, Apo Furosemide 20mg for fluid on the lungs/ stage-5 heart failure and Apoquel 3.6mg tabs for allergies.

 

Are we heading in the direction of surgery for Collapsed Trachea? We are not ready to think of the "other", but it is breaking our hearts to watch him suffer when coughing, as I said above, it is wearing him down.

 

Appreciate your thoughts and feedback.



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I do not have any information I can share for your situation, but I can appreciate the feelings you are dealing with right now. We are still waiting for Bikos Cardiac appointment so I dont know what to expect to hear, and I am trying to stay positive. I hope Choko doesn't need the surgery because I feel that would be a lot of stress on his already busy system. We are sending you and your little one tuns of positive healing vibes!


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Esylum, Thank you for the response, information and kind words.

 

Yes, our two(2) little Cresteds are EVERYTHING to us.

 

Our observation: he eats his cookies/ treats with no issues, ie no coughing, but IMMEDIATELY after drinking water, he coughs, coughs, coughs.

 

He is drinking 3-4 x as much water as our little female, whom has no coughing at all. The aforementioned meds are causing him to drink significantly more than normal, as the vet had indicated would happen, but the "gag (cough)/ no gag (no cough)" reflex makes no sense by this observation.

 

We have ordered the Pet Well-Being Throat Gold drops just today and will immediately give them a try once arrived:

 

https://www.petwellb...PRoC_xoQAvD_BwE

 

We have already tried some pure organic honey off of a spoon, but not much improvement in cough suppression.We do have Benadryl in the house but are 'cautious' to administering this.

 

His observed respiration appears to peak at 30 bpm 'stressed' to a low of 20 bpm normal (?). Gum color normal/ pinkish; no blue.

 

We love him soo much and will do anything for him, but my spouse and I are 'not in agreement' as to vet diagnosis/ prognosis/ treatment regime.

 

It is so symptomatic of Kennel Cough, but our little female........near perfectly fine. KC should be VERY contagious, so I'm ruling KC somewhat out albeit it had surfaced several townships over from where we reside.

 

Mostly just thinking out loud here, but do appreciate your kind words and well-wishes.

 

God Bless to your little one as well.






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